This post is about one Christian that goes to my college and is in my form, so that makes two at least of that minority group within my form they‘re even outnumbered by the number of Atheist tutors that we have teaching us/helping out in the class rooms. But that’s enough about the background let’s get back onto the plot. Well as I was stating I noticed an item in the college email box it was about a funeral that is going to take place one day next week and on it said the funeral was going to be held at a church so this boy/man in my lass started celebrating and then one of the others in our class pointed out his sickness as “someone had died so why the hell are you celebrating?” and then the boy/man attempted to explain himself and then he said it was as it was at a church. Confused? I think the whole class was; except Mr Sick in the head Christian.
By the way Mr Sick in the head Christian you fix my dead body to a crucifix and burn it if it pushes those pagan tendencies when ‘m dead, if you'd like to? Anyway I am a heathen that doesn’t believe in your God or spiritualism when you’re dead your dead. So you better make your relitly short period of time on this earth making a positive contribution, not just because if you don't you’re going to burn in hell because your not your just going to fade into obsolescence eventually the only thing that lasts for an eternity is the particles which make up everything but they are all reused, to create new things.
But I'll Go into Christian logic anther time, I'll point out a couple of the more obvious the flaws within them.
Can anyone define Love for me, plesase... Well I have no idea what love is but that technicality won’t stop me speculating [Begin speculation] From personal experience It is a feeling/emotion of attraction towards a certain person or object, but if you ask many people some will say that that isn’t love and if you ask them what is it they may say it is nought but san attraction (noting but an attraction), so that bugs my first theory up. So what are we as humans, if not living objects? But that question can wait until I’m in another equally trivial mood. But from google define I have found 10 separate definitions for the one concept of love 1. An intense feeling of deep affection
2. A deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone
3. A personified figure of love, often represented as Cupid
4. A great interest and pleasure in something
5. Affectionate greetings conveyed to someone on one's behalf
6. A formula for ending an affectionate letter
7. A person or thing that one loves
8. A friendly form of address
9. Used to express affectionate approval for someone
To Tina a response on your statement about only adult Catholics being submerged at baptism and not the children, You said to a question of why people get submerged at baptism only as adults and not children as they were being cleansed of their sins of a previous life, within the context before the life as a beliver in god (what should I call him Godana, Godfrey, Godfried, Godwin or another) which should make him more personable like the human that made him up, I see what you mean that a new born child not having done anything, ever, so therefore no sins to wash off but what about the original sin concept? Isn’t it that thing for that fictional character Adam stealing that apple*? Which for that bit of god’s negligence he’s thrown us from his kingdom, heaven, I use the term negligence correctly I’m sure as if he did create everything including the devil why the hell did he create the devil (do you see what I have done here, devil, hell) unless he felt like he’d need a scapegoat to blame to force all of the terrible stuff upon that he’d do to the human people below/ his naive followers., *Bible chapter Genesis I think, To Tina a response on your statement about only adult Catholics being submerged at baptism and not the children, You said to a question of why people get submerged at baptism only as adults and not children as they were being cleansed of their sins of a previous life, within the context before the life as a beliver in god (what should I call him Godana, Godfrey, Godfried, Godwin or another) which should make him more personable like the human that made him up, I see what you mean that a new born child not having done anything, ever, so therefore no sins to wash off but what about the original sin concept? Isn’t it that thing for that fictional character Adam stealing that apple*? Which for that bit of god’s negligence he’s thrown us from his kingdom, heaven, I use the term negligence correctly I’m sure as if he did create everything including the devil why the hell did he create the devil (do you see what I have done here, devil, hell) unless he felt like he’d need a scapegoat to blame to force all of the terrible stuff upon that he’d do to the human people below/ his naive followers. *Bible chapter Genesis I think,
this was the video that I sent to Dio of which I started off this debate with.
if you think through that way, yes you have a point.
Correction if I think it through, any single way that Darkmatter2525 has a point,
However, whatever gods do has a purpose.
Hang on a second but isn’t it in your bible that forgiveness is a better tool than murder? Or is that just your new son of god guy, who was acting against his own father technically, and in doing that defying another commandment?
God wants us to look up to him, to believe on him and knowing that he exist.
I’m sorry to tell you this, I’m not really it’s just one of those things that you have to say, that no self-respecting god would put his name to this fictional event and just so you know I don’t feel at all like worshiping your vain, arrogant, homicidal, pitiless, monster of a god but I am thinking that if your god is real, and then in turn the Devil/Satan I am going to visit Satan as that is the more moral of the two.
If he gave everyone heart attack and kills them in an istant, noone would know that it was god that done it.
But as it was who supposedly wrote about the flood? But if he selected a group of people to survive as he may have done with Noah and then why is there absolutely no evidence that the world was ever submerged under such a torrent of water? If your god truly had any intelligence then he would have left at least some clues instead of leaving it alone for all this time?
God was trying to imply how powerful he is, he can do whatever he likes and he can do anything.
Or not in the case of the flood, as you should take up a course in history, ancient history.
He makes everything possible.
Or not as it turns out to be.
he dont hesitate to kill all the sinners.
Well if “he don’t” then why am I still here?
However, by the coming of jesus christ, which we celebrate every year, absolve all our sins and gives us chance to repent and to be in the right way.
So your saying that he son was cursed upon the human race, just to die as your god apparently knew before sending him down here as isn’t he omniscient (all knowing)? and no not everyone celebrate the day for your selfish religions means do you even know the origins of Christmas, I’ll send you a link to it at another time via facebook.
for example, why does god allows all this calamities on all these countries like tsunamies, earthquake, floods that kills a lot of innocent ppl and destroying building, business and much more.
Ok now there are logical scientific explanations for all of these natural phenomena than you saying that it was your all merciful good guy, whom is seeming more like the terrorist Saddam Hussein but according to your scriptures he was great a lot like Saddam Hussein was to his followers.
The reasion why is that, god is calling us. Its a calling for us, its a test on how we respond to it.
Please allow me to reiterate (translate) what you have typed into more tangible (understandable) English “well it’s a test, you see,” which leaves me with the question why is he calling to us, and how does he expect us condemned people to respond to it, as if what you are chirping on about has any impact on how I concave the world and your honestly ludicrous religion.
He wants us to share our wealth and to care to our brothers and sisters. It may look cruel because a lot of innoccent ppl have been affected, but deeply its not.
Does he, really? Is it/he really not cruel? Deeply do you even know the meaning of the word deeply, within the context that you are on about? If so then please enlighten me as it must be a definition that I have never heard of before. But I do not even once remember me referring to the natural occurrences of the earth as cruel.
Happy are the good once that has been taken bcos they go straight to the kingdom of god and bad for those who are bad cos they go straight to hell.
So in which one’s would you class me as, I hope it’d be hell,
Ok I wish you have a great time with your amoral (not moral) giver of your morals who still has in his bloody book that you have to burn witches and he was a monster and a pirate as well, if you’re unsure of what I mean by this, then I mean that your bloody book of fairy tales (the bible) how many other religions from before of it did your religion steal it’s talks from.
I'm thinking that I should be king and then I could end two of the most corrupt institutions within modern-day England, and everywhere that the royals have influence.
The question was what religion should I follow as she’s confused about what to believe, and she keeps quote Pascal’s wager to me but I’ll tell you what’s worse, she probably hasn’t even heard of Pascal’s wager.
What is Pascal’s wager?
Well Pascal’s wager is a sort of theists attempt to scare people, mainly atheists, into believing their ludicrous assumptions (my personal opinion) that there is a god that is all knowledgeable, powerful etc. It goes like this if you die the theist and there isn’t anything on the other side so you could just fade away into oblivion, but if God is real he will go to heaven and everyone else including atheists will go to hell.
But that primitive concept is fundamentally flawed as how many other religions claim to be accurate and correct so how are you supposed to determine which one true?
I answer;
I believe that you should find your own way of finding what is worthy of your belief, you can chose to be like grandma and believe in a little book as it is apparently the word of God, despite the inconsistencies from reality, or you could choose a different religion there is many, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Sikhism, Judaism and there is many more the majority of the religions that I have stated above are monotheisticwhich means as it says mono-one, theist- is a person that has a belief in God(s), the only exceptions to that are Hinduism (which are people that believe in multiple Gods like the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians ect.) and Buddhism(is a little bit like an atheism but with rules of how to live your life and an eternal life/enlightenment) . But then there are atheists people with no belief in a God without heaven (the carrot) or hell (the stick) there are no meeting regular points for an atheist like a church/mosque or a daily routine.
But if you’d like my advice you should search for a religion which you agree with the fundaments of the religion Then probe into the religion; this means taking a look around, you can actually go to the places of worship or by searching it on the internet, perhaps even questioning others who participate. keep asking questions but when /if you do find one that shares all of those perspectives with you then you have found the correct religion for you, I’m still searching for a religion which vales the truth as I am yet to find; one which can back it up with evidence.
People who say there is no God have to read this article;
Ok I will do as you request
“Excuse me would you stop for a moment, haven’t you thought one day about yourself who has made it.
Actually yes, I have many of times.
And I have found much more satisfying answers than it was “God/Allah” for example I know as a fact that I was conceived by two people of whom you could call my parents. who got together one day and they decided to have sexual intercourse and I’m as a result of that. But it was up to me to become the man that you’re reading from today. Just as It is up to you personally how you choose to live your life.
Have you seen a design without a designer or have you seen a wonderful delicate without a worker, it’s you and the whole universe who has made them GOD\ALLAH”.
I get the point that you’re attempting to make here, you’re trying to make me say that it all had to have been created by a creator. But you should know better than that especially as your friend said above that the majority of your Islamic community were incredibly versed in science. Well have you ever heard of the big bang theory? But I know it’s only a theory but in all honesty isn’t that what all of these “prophets” have been regardless of the “God(s)” that they acclaim to have following.
Imagine, if I told you that New York City came by an accident “Would you believe”? Definitely your answer would be no so. Nothing in this world came by an accident.
I am imagining but I can name some things that came into this world by accident take me for example if your god was true and he was really my personal creator it s possible that he made a mistake, had an accident, in creating me.
Therefore. You didn’t believe that New York City has came by an accident then how did you believe that whole universe came by an accident!!!!?
No nothing of the sort, I know that some humans built it there and I also found a reasoning for it being positioned where it is and it’s reasoning is quite straight forward actually, it is as you probably already know that the majority of the initial people that went over the oceans to colonize (and actually to drive the native American people to almost extinction) but they were from Europe, so now that I have straightened that little quandary out for you, the one about the origins of NYC would you like me to fill you in on the Big Bang theory, you never know you could learn more things similarly to me in this discussion? As I have infect learnt a bit about your religion, which was what I was hopeing to do over the course of this discussion.
First I would like to ask a question to those people who said that God\ALLAH could not create mankind after death.
I disbelieve this statement as an Atheist like my self doesn’t believe in your concept of God or the prospect of eternal life, as if something has a beginning it must henceforth have an end the same goes for the sun and all of the stars, in the night sky.
Where were you before two hundred years ago?
Well I honestly can’t be specific with my answer to this question as the multiple millions of atoms that make me up can’t be traced back to any definitive location for the period of time that you are talking about.
The one who created you from nothing and gave you life for the first time can give you live after death!!!!
No one person, or many people, can live after death, to my understanding, As sorry as I am to break it to you but what would be the point of a life that last forever as that looks like a long time to me plenty of time to get bored in.
Allah says in the Quran verse 75\36 (Does man think that he will be left neglected (without being punished or rewarded for the obligatory duties enjoined by the Lord Allah on him) 37 {was he not a Nutfah (mixed male and female sexual discharged) of semen emitted (poured forth)? 38 (then he became an Alaqah (a clot) then (Allah) shaped and fashioned (him) in due proportion 39 (and made of him two sexes, male and female , 40 (Is not he (Allah) who does that able to give life to the dead? (Yes is able to do all things)
What an educational passage of text.
Second, Scientists have discovered that the last bone at the end of the backbone is the part of the human body that is never lost. It does not even decompose completely in the ground, Which has been mentioned before 1400 years ago In several Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , that the tailbone is the origin of the human being. And on Judgment Day God will emerge a human being from his or her tailbone. The holy scripts are: 1) Abu Huraira narrated, that the Prophet (pbuh) said: "All of the Sons of Adam (men) will decay except for the bone of coccyx (tailbone). From it he (man) was created and by it he will be reconstructed." 2) Abu Huraira narrated, that the Prophet (pbuh) said: "There is nothing of the human body that does not decay except one bone; that is the little bone at the end of the coccyx of which the human body will be recreated on the Day of Resurrection”
All bones in the human skeleton decay and decompose it just can take longer for some parts of the skeleton to decompose to others, As I said in my other response to Exceed the limit that Muhammad was an obliviously highly observant man to notice things like that at the time that he did.
